
Rob Kristofferson was so kind to ask me to discuss Betty Andreasson’s luminously compelling mystical UFO abduction with him. We contextualize this event thru the anthropological lens of social status, anti-structure and liminality as set out by George P. Hansen and then analyze it in the light of practical occult and esoteric theory and techniques.
I tried to lay out how an experienced esotericist would look at these experiences and how one would set about trying to induce them (looking at a few different methods). This way into understanding many paraweird experiences has been set out by thinkers such as Jacques Vallee and Allen Greenfield for decades past, but the ufological field as a whole has been very chary of applying any of these concepts to individual cases or more systematically.
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SOURCES REFERENCED
Special Thanks to Martin Kottmeyer and Regan Lee for providing me with background materials in preparation for this show!
Re: contextualizing contact/mystical experiences within particular cultures and timeframes, I recommend this video by Professor WHAM on the Tugunja Canyon contacts. Her discussion with Rob Krifstofferon on Our Strange Skies about the Harrison Bailey story is also excellent, I am so excited that hear Bailey’s story out there more widely, with a sympathetic and thoughtful take by both people.
Professor WHAM’s website
and of course to my friend Alexx Bollen, magical realist author and podcaster extraordinaire, for encouraging my love of Vallee

books by and about Betty Andreasson and her numinous experiences
Corelight is the organization founded by Leslie Temple-Thurston, try some of their free resources here
Jacques Vallee’s Contact Trilogy: Dimension, Revelations, Confrontations
Robert Monroe’s Institute offers free meditations here
and you can find his books here
“The Trickster and the Paranormal” by George P. Hansen
Allen Greenfield’s “The Secret Cipher of the Ufonauts” and “Secret Rituals of the Men in Black” both discuss the relationship of the flying saucers and their occupants with ritual magic
Jeffrey Mishlove “The PK Man” about his work with Ted Owens
“Initiating Contact – The Shadow Side of the Paraweird”: AP Strange and I spoke on ‘The Eternal Void but with Jazz’ about Ted Owens, Jeff Ritzmann, Josh Allen, and Bright Garlick to contact the ‘the other’ and/or perform weather magic.
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“Dr. Cosmic” (Dr. Pasulka/Heath) speaking at the opening of the Archives of the Impossible
“Working with Egregores: Practical Considerations” I talk about working with subtle structures
“The Ohlone Way: Indian Life in the San Francisco-Monterey Bay Area” by Malcom Marguiles